LAWS: Draw the lion. What’s happening to the lion?
JEFFREY: Well, I think the lion was a big, fat, black tiger. And I think there were some birds in there. And he was sitting on his hind legs and he kind of looked like someone had dropped him. And he was a really bad looker. No wonder he was going to die.
LAWS: No! They wouldn’t do that to him!
JEFFREY: No he wouldn’t! But I do like to play the games.
LAWS: OK. Let me see if I can get you some cards as well, I can’t make you draw them but I know where to get you the cards, so what you have here in front of you is, in order: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11…
JEFFREY: Eight, nine…
LAWS: Oh, that’s not very good, but you can have ten cards, but you would have to put the king in there, I’m not gonna do that? (Jeffrey sighs in disappointment) Oh, ok, ok, I’m gonna play a little game on you, I’m a little bit of a perfectionist, here! (laughter)
BILL MOYERS: So we have seen a lot of progress in our democracy, but what are the signs of its fragility? Can you point to some of the major crises we are facing and how we deal with them?
LAWS: Well, this is where I tell you the story of the Civil War. That was a big disaster. The question was would the war end or be continued. It ended at eight months, and at that time there were 500,000 Americans killed and 200,000 wounded. Fifty thousand died in the first two months of it and a hundred thousand injured. And the result was a total collapse of the country. I think we are seeing the same thing happening now.
And there are some things I think are really going to happen. I think this is going to have a major effect on us because, you know, America got the best education system in the world when she came to this new world and she has had to deal with the effects of that on education, and so I think that’s going to have an impact on what is going on, not